Legislature(2007 - 2008)BELTZ 211

03/22/2007 09:00 AM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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+ SB 16 EXTEND REGULATORY COMMISSION OF ALASKA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 117 PROCLAMATION CALLING A SPECIAL SESSION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 117(JUD) Out of Committee
+= SB 33 DNA FROM PERSONS CHARGED WITH FELONIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 33(STA) Out of Committee
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= SB 92 LIMITED LICENSE IGNITION INTERLOCK
Moved CSSB 92(STA) Out of Committee
= SB 115 GIFT CARDS
Moved CSSB 115(STA) Out of Committee
          SB  33-DNA FROM PERSONS CHARGED WITH FELONIES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:07:25 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR MCGUIRE announced consideration of SB 33.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE, Alaska  State Legislature, sponsor of  SB 33, said                                                               
he would prefer  that DNA samples be taken at  the time of arrest                                                               
of an individual,  which is when fingerprints  are taken, instead                                                               
of only when  the person is charged. He said  he assumes that the                                                               
Department  of Public  Safety would  also  have that  preference.                                                               
Most people  who are  arrested are  charged with  something. "I'm                                                               
asking  the committee  to  review the  two  options: whether  the                                                               
sample be taken at arrest or at the charging."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:09:36 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  MCGUIRE said  Version E  requires DNA  when arrested,  and                                                               
Version C is when charged. Both are on the table, she said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  FORREST, Deputy  Director, Division  of Juvenile  Justice,                                                               
Department  of Health  and Social  Services  (DHSS), suggested  a                                                               
minor  clarification. Existing  law makes  a distinction  between                                                               
DNA collection  for persons and  minors, so she  suggested adding                                                               
"or minors" following "the persons".                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:11:38 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR MCGUIRE  said she sees what  she means. For Version  C, the                                                               
change will be on page 1, lines  15, 18 and 19. In version E, the                                                               
change will be on lines 14, 17, and 18.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if two versions  of a bill can be before the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCGUIRE said  Version  E was  adopted  and is  technically                                                               
before the  committee as a  working document. She then  said, "So                                                               
we  had  C  before us,  and  it  is  a  bit unorthodox,  I  don't                                                               
disagree, but in the interest of  time…we will be working from C,                                                               
but E is a version that is  pro-offered by the sponsor just to be                                                               
considered."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:14:33 AM                                                                                                                   
DAVID   SCHADE,  Director,   Division   of  Statewide   Services,                                                               
Department of  Public Safety (DPS), said  the department supports                                                               
the bill.  DNA is  already required  for convicted  persons. That                                                               
sample doesn't  always get collected  or it's delayed,  he noted.                                                               
This bill  will give the  state another opportunity to  make sure                                                               
that that requirement is completed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:15:33 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR STEVENS asked which version he supports.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHADE said  DPS prefers collecting the DNA when  a person is                                                               
arrested because there is not  a good mechanism for collecting it                                                               
when a person is charged.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE said  an arrest  is  a physical  activity with  an                                                               
enforcement   officer  present.   Being   charged   is  a   paper                                                               
transaction, and the arrestee may not even be present.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE  said it  is a  policy call. An  arrest is  a point                                                               
when  someone  thinks a  person  might  have done  something  and                                                               
probable cause  is there.  The charge is  a higher  standard, and                                                               
conviction is higher yet-so it's just a policy call.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  when  the  DNA sample  is  shared in  the                                                               
database.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:17:58 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. SCHADE said the sample will  be analyzed and put in the CODIS                                                               
database to see if any matches occur.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said it is  better to get that information sooner                                                               
rather than later.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE  noted that  John  Dillinger  wasn't arrested  for                                                               
murder but  for tax evasion.  People committing petty  crimes are                                                               
often  involved  in larger  crimes.  The  opportunity at  arrest,                                                               
while it is a broad net, serves to solve crimes, he said.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:19:18 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR FRENCH  said physical arrest  is the most  efficient time                                                               
to collect a  sample, but he is  philosophically more comfortable                                                               
with a  prosecutor reviewing a  charge before taking  the sample.                                                               
Most states are going with DNA  collection at the time of arrest,                                                               
he noted. He  agreed that a person may not  be present when being                                                               
charged.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN moved to adopt  the committee substitute for SB 33,                                                               
labeled 25-LS0260\E, Luckhaupt, as  the working document. Hearing                                                               
no objection, Version E was before the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE  said  34  states  are  considering  expanding  or                                                               
initiating  the  use  of  DNA  for fighting  crime,  and  19  are                                                               
choosing arrest as the point of collection.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:21:24 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  MCGUIRE said  she wants  a  strong letter  of intent  that                                                               
those wrongly arrested will have  their DNA information retrieved                                                               
from CODIS. There is a severe  penalty for the misuse of the DNA,                                                               
but she would like to emphasize that intent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS offered to move the bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE asked, "Did we make those changes?"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH said  they were  conceptual and  the bill  can be                                                               
cleaned up in the judiciary committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE suggested  Amendment 1 on behalf  of Senator Bunde,                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 14, 17, and 18, following "persons":                                                                       
          Insert "or minor's"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Hearing no objections, Amendment 1 carried.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS moved the committee  substitute to SB 33, labeled                                                               
25-LS0260\E,  as   amended,  with   attached  fiscal   notes  and                                                               
individual recommendations.  Hearing no objections,  CSSB 33(STA)                                                               
passed from committee.                                                                                                          

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